ABOUT THE FIGHT IN TAI BETWEEN NAZI GUILDSAND CHOSEN

well same old dong

nope but check ur mail box here bro i asked u for a favor

[ Last edited by bigman30 at 10-23-2009 02:28 PM ]

will for any reason, everyone have there own. and wow you guys talk like you all know what is right and what is wrong here. seems like if you talk nice english words which a few i could not understand ( im sorry for that ) you all look so believable. some are adults here and some are kids, but for us adults you just cant lecture us about those words you guys saying here, all of you got some opinion which you guys cant force all of us to follow what you do believe. why not just play the game and enjoy it? why hate if you getting killed in the game ( that if you were killed by the other faction) but if killed by the same faction that is a whole different story?

to himsati, i know you talk nice words here, but while you doing it im hating you more and more, you got some point but to your advantage. and please after this dont ever lecture me cause i will not listen to any of those.

will to li-bo, you talk proud of yourself, but everyone in the game tough of you differently, someone hating you and someone do likes you. you talking that you the good guys and those who dont like you become the bad guys? in the long run it only show being bias in thinking, if someone hates you that was just 1 person maybe he wrongly understand you, but if a lot did maybe you done wrong. try to think of it...

P.S.  dont forget that this game is for fun, just play it and enjoy. pls close the thread it beginning to irritate me.

If the thread irritates you make the choice and stop reading it.  That is the exact heart of what I am talking about “having choice”.  The fact of the matter is I am not trying to make anyone believe “me” there are several of us that are saying we are flat out tired of having our choice taken away.  People are posting screen shots captured months ago of a Players talking and the person doing most of talking isn't around to defend themselves.  I don't have to make anyone believe me.  They see what is being done and either MAKE the choice to join in, not say anything at all, or stay out of it.  If the situation was different and it was for example “The Wu's” who said we will not do it with Xun's and they could only participate on weekends, I would be doing the exact same thing.  It is not right that anyone faction dictates an event or quest and says another can't.  What people think is that I am “Pro” faction, when I am “Pro” player.  I do not think it is right to single out individuals and think it is fun to ruin their gaming, cause that is what a lot of you people are doing.  You want to kill enemy factions hey that is your choice and how you play the game.  If I want to make friends, help them, enjoy conversation then I am going to do just that.  I am sorry I am not the “Rambo” of killing people and spending my time in hexad or other factions HC getting honor and showing I am good at pvp day in and day out.  It is not my thing and it never has been.  When I get whispers telling me “It will all stop when you stop hanging out with Wu and Xun” I have a problem with that. When I get ordered “You can only do Dragon Lord with us and when we say” I have a problem with that.  When the pillars of my beloved guild get attacked and the acting Guild Lord is told “Kick Li-Bo or Lose pillars” I have a problem with that.  When I get flat out told “You will not have pillars” then I get them and they single me out to attack. When they find out I got an alliance going which is no different then the ones they themselves have established, and then attack mine deliberately first starting with the Tai members, then go on to the Wu's who enjoy being in an alliance, to get them to stop being in alliance.  It is flat out targeting. It's a pattern.  So that is where I am saying no.  If it is a game then why is it I have to play it someone else's way they believe it has to be done.  Why do any of us. Most of us are tired of it and being bullied.  So what was to happen let's say if I did bow down and do what they asked.  Nothing, they still wouldn't invite me as a 250+ player to go on raids, do BH, do Dragon Lord, or include me regardless. If they had a change faction token like they do a nationality reverser, I would use it in a heartbeat.  I am not going to change.  I am going to be fair, I am going to be nice.  People can flame me and my friends for not following the leader.  Yes this is a game, and everyone has the right to play it in which makes them happy.  No one should be made miserable or have their fun taken away in a game because we chose to be friends in game and out of game.  At least I have the courage to sign my name on my posts.  

~Cheers
Li-Bo

[ Last edited by RisqueMasquee at 10-23-2009 02:09 PM ]

i think this threat can be closed now everything had been said no need to comment anymore.

Tai's are funny ................................................ i look on yesterday as many Xun was killing Tai and some higher lvl Tai lol Blue7 and Manny_kind was just sitting and looking as there own faction mates were being killed "there is no honor amoungst thieves" xD when i'm on my Tai i hit every Xun and Wu i see xD when in Wu i attack all all Tai and Xun with exception of 1 Tai Guild but i do not just stand back and look as my ally guild friends in Tai kill my faction mates from Wu , i don't attack that person of my ally Guild but i help Wu out even when i play in Xun , i attack Wu and Tai it's a game it's to quest lvl and become strong (pwn all in your way to acheave thoughs goals)   "RAWR fear me "

well siad libo but i dont really look on this tread but zu is full of people who secrely hate other people its not hard to tell who hate who or you yours self but the only one who can put zu in order like many mmos gms come ingame and pk the shi* out of dishonor players and people who disobey orders and rules of the game and if not listen no further then ban your ass

Well..

I've already realized this whole mess is primarly about personal issues with specific individuals in the game (or who recently left the game, though their characters live on being played by one or more others now), and that 'faction vs faction by game design' is only their to justify attacking others who may agree with those specific individuals.  This is not to say that "faction vs faction by design" is not a legitimate argument/tactic/etc., but this mess got started because of personal issues and not because of faction issues.  I still see Tai/Wu/Xun having friendly interactions in Hex, I still see people with fully-developed alts in guilds inside of other factions, I still see alts in other factions used for trading (which strengthens those other factions as much as it strengthens their own faction), etc.; none of that has changed even after this big blow-up.  If it really was about faction-vs-faction then we would have seen an apparent change in the behavior, of the members of those guilds who opposed what was happening with the Dragon Lord up until a week or so ago.  But that hasn't happened.  In fact (from overheard conversations, recent raids, Area occupations and who has been appearing at the DL specifically over the last week), inter-faction cooperation and/or "hands-off" agreements appear to have increased among certain parties involved in all of this.  

Timing of events is just as important as the events themselves, so you'll note that up until all this back and forth began, the former "alliance" was regularly seen fighting one another in very public places like Hex and Wan and was seen defending their Holy City and Desert City from one another during raids, but NOT teaming up or taking turns at going after one another's faction while the other turned a blind eye.  The banding together to defend pillars and such only occured AFTER the accusations and constant attacks began.  Again, timing of events is as important as the events themselves.  Some of the more colorful accusations will most likely continue to fly though...  

"Everyone is scroll bugging"... most of the time it isn't noticed that the person's gear alone is enough to give them a 1,000 more attack and defense than most of their opponents, or that they are part of a 5-clan party running buffed.  Even after they've relogged it hasn't mattered lately.  Most of the time I've found that the players in question aren't bugging at all, but one of their "fan-boys" (usually in their guild/party) is the one doing it.  But it is the powerful high level player up front who takes the blame.  I can't wait for the fix to the scroll bug -- which I have been informed is due out in the next version release soon (which should be before the end of the year).

I've heard about players who have dozens upon dozens of special items they sell for real cash (which is against game rules by the way), and the price they sell for would indicate they might be breaking even at best or actually taking a loss.  So were/are there corrupt GM's that these players made friends with back when the GM's used MSN and got tons of free MSI, spars, etc.?  That is a primary complaint right now against those who have recently made multiple pieces of moon-rated epic 7 gear in a very short time, that they don't trade enough, rank enough, do BH enough, etc., to get enough mystic stones and spars to suddenly make that much that fast.  Are GM's somehow giving them special spars with better success rates?  Are they giving them  

Finally on the topic of "this is how the game is designed".  This is an MMORPG by definition (RPG = Role Playing Game), not an MMO3PS (3rd Person Shooter).  It is also a game about ancient mythical China designed to reflect the culture and attitudes of that time.  Let's be honest... how many people are roleplaying an actual character in this game and how many are just being their usual online personification of their real-life self and treating it as a standard non-role-play combat game?  How many people are attempting to get the "killer" titles but doing it based on the culture and style of ancient mythical china and how many are just slaughtering members of other factions regardless of level and regardless of "honorable" combat tactics?  We don't adhere to the most basics of the game's design concept.

In the greatest and most epic of stories of this style people change sides, go from hero to villain (and villain to hero), fall in love with someone from the opposing army, turn traitor to their own people, form secret alliances, and opposing sides come together against a common threat.  And when you think about it, that happens in this game between all of us on a regular basis.  Everything that happened in the recent weeks, if it was done "in-character" we'd all be patting each other on the back for having such a powerful story that we just told together.  But because its player-vs.-player instead of "character-vs.-character" feelings have been hurt and "sides" have been chosen as people rather than as characters in the game's story; thus the argument continues on.  It has never been about the game, but always about the people, personalities, egos, and the heros and villains in us all.  And that is doubtful to change unless specific game mechanics are put in place to enforce that, or a "role-play" server is established to separate 3PS-style players from RPG-style players.

So close the thread, don't close it, I don't see this ending anytime soon... the pattern will just repeat with different people, possibly with new characters or possibly playing the same characters to make it seem like it is the same people over and over again.

My only advice as to why I wrote this rather long post... don't hide what you are doing, it isn't worth it.  If you are doing something because of an issue with player/character 'x' just be honest about it.  Otherwise we all get drug into pointless debates, accusations and arguments such as these....  Making a mountain out of a mole hill has brought entire countries to their knees, be a shame if we did that here.

And much as I love to write (as noted below)... this is my final post on the subject as a player.  Anything else goes back strictly to moderator mode.

[ Last edited by himsati at 10-26-2009 10:54 AM ]

Himsati loves to write.
Hmmm,after reading that i was like

but i can also agree with 2 things
1.i cant wait till the scroll bug is removed aswell
2.people dont fight honorable nowadays(especially those that try jumping on u after a strong pvp)

[ Last edited by alexanderaus at 10-26-2009 05:00 PM ]

as soon as the soul fight altar will be fixed all player going to go to pvp there